Preface: I am Snoonet network admin
[2014-04-03 04:17:40] * Your hostmask: sid11863@snoonet/admin/Techman
[2014-04-03 04:17:49] * Your user mode: +o
[2014-04-03 04:17:49] * - Don't mess things up; we are all watching and will laugh at you
[2014-04-03 04:17:49] * You are now a NetAdmin
[2014-04-03 04:17:49] * Your user mode: +oWs
[2014-04-03 04:17:49] * *** ANNOUNCEMENT: Techman used SWHOIS to set Techman's extra whois to 'knows a lot about IRC and SASL'
[2014-04-03 04:17:49] * Your user mode: +WsoiIw

[2014-04-12 23:03:55] <redv> a poll for changes in the snoonet config
[2014-04-12 23:04:15] <redv> I kind of want to add owner (. symbol), mode +q
[2014-04-12 23:04:48] <flotwig> isn't it typically ~?
[2014-04-12 23:04:52] <flotwig> and +a gives &?
[2014-04-12 23:05:22] <redv> typically yes but clients like xchat, mIRC, irssi recognize the . symbol as owner
[2014-04-12 23:05:25] <redv> (mode +q)
[2014-04-12 23:05:36] <redv> for scripts etc
[2014-04-12 23:05:46] <Techman> ~ is +q (owner)
[2014-04-12 23:05:56] <redv> we can change it
[2014-04-12 23:05:58] <Techman> & is +a (protect/admin)
[2014-04-12 23:06:05] <redv> owner was first introduced by IRCx
[2014-04-12 23:06:06] <Techman> Yes but why would you go out of the norm redv 
[2014-04-12 23:06:12] <redv> which is the IRC extended protocol
[2014-04-12 23:06:19] <redv> the norm?
[2014-04-12 23:06:24] <Techman> The norm is ~ for +q
[2014-04-12 23:06:31] <redv> to you it is
[2014-04-12 23:06:39] <redv> to people who've been on IRC A LOT longer, it's not
[2014-04-12 23:06:40] <Techman> No, check every IRC network that has +q
[2014-04-12 23:06:49] <Techman> they almost always have ~
[2014-04-12 23:06:53] <redv> that's because they changed it from ~ to .
[2014-04-12 23:06:56] <redv> I don't want ~.
[2014-04-12 23:07:06] <redv> from . to ~*
[2014-04-12 23:07:24] <flotwig> i don't think so, i don't think i've ever seen . except on one really small server
[2014-04-12 23:07:32] <Techman> Yes
[2014-04-12 23:07:36] <Techman> . is not the norm
[2014-04-12 23:07:44] <Techman> I don't know why snoonet has to try to distance itself from the norm
[2014-04-12 23:07:49] <Techman> when most clients look for ~
[2014-04-12 23:08:36] <redv> I don't understand your comments sometimes
[2014-04-12 23:08:37] <flotwig> "2 levels above op is called Owner, given the mode string designation +q, and is represented by the ASCII ~ (tilde)."
[2014-04-12 23:08:43] <flotwig> http://xchatdata.net/Using/UserlistStatusIcons
[2014-04-12 23:08:53] <redv> I don't see how, in any fucking way possible that snoonet tries to distance itself from 'the norm'
[2014-04-12 23:09:22] <Techman> If you choose . as owner prefix that is distancing itself from the norm
[2014-04-12 23:09:45] <Techman> Every single network I'm on that has owner is ~
[2014-04-12 23:10:13] <redv> ~ looks retarded
[2014-04-12 23:10:36] <Techman> No it doesn't
[2014-04-12 23:10:42] <Techman> It is a tilde
[2014-04-12 23:10:51] <redv> it looks retarded.
[2014-04-12 23:10:53] <Techman> <~Techman> vs <.Techman>
[2014-04-12 23:11:01] <Techman> which makes more sense?
[2014-04-12 23:11:05] <flotwig> i think we should use a } to symbolize our uniquity
[2014-04-12 23:11:07] <Techman> I'd choose the former
[2014-04-12 23:11:11] <redv> it's not about 'making sense'
[2014-04-12 23:11:22] <flotwig> can i quote you on that? :)
[2014-04-12 23:11:24] <Techman> If we don't make sense how do you expect communities to use us?
[2014-04-12 23:11:50] <redv> Techman: please fuck off.
[2014-04-12 23:12:04] <Techman> I'm trying to tell you what makes sense irc wise
[2014-04-12 23:12:11] <Techman> not something about "IRCx"
[2014-04-12 23:13:24] <redv> whether it's a ~ or a . it doesn't affect any thing, it will have nothing to do with communities using us
[2014-04-12 23:13:31] <redv> and this, this is why I said we need a poll
[2014-04-12 23:13:32] <Techman> Yes it does
[2014-04-12 23:13:43] <Techman> if we have owner support we need to make it make sense
[2014-04-12 23:13:52] <Techman> Every IRC user I know thinks of owner as ~
[2014-04-12 23:13:57] <Techman> No one except you has said it was .
[2014-04-12 23:14:03] <flotwig> "hey forum what does . mean before a name" "i don't know, you must have a hipster server ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
[2014-04-12 23:14:20] <flotwig> "hey forum what does ~ mean before a name" "owner, duh" "thanks"
[2014-04-12 23:15:31] <flotwig> seriously though, i think a poll would be a good idea
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> 7.1. OWNER (IRCX +q)
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> The OWNER mode indicates that the user is an owner of a
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> channel. Only a channel owner can give OWNER mode to another
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> member of that channel, but any owner may remove OWNER mode
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> from themselves.
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> Clients in IRCX mode see owner nicknames with a '.' prefix
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> and continue to see hosts with a '@' prefix (in results
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> from NAMES, WHO, WHOIS and other commands which list
[2014-04-12 23:15:40] <redv> nicknames).
[2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> Note that HOST mode uses +o, which was "operator" mode in
[2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> RFC1459. Syntax for these modes is the same as "operator"
[2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> mode:
[2014-04-12 23:15:41] <redv> MODE <channel> { + | - }q <nick>
[2014-04-12 23:15:55] <flotwig> congratulations, you can read IRCx information
[2014-04-12 23:16:03] <flotwig> that's never used that way in practice
[2014-04-12 23:16:05] <flotwig> seriously though, i think a poll would be a good idea
[2014-04-12 23:16:07] <redv> we are not IRCx, I know this. I just like the idea of owner being a .
[2014-04-12 23:16:12] <flotwig> aight
[2014-04-12 23:16:20] <flotwig> that's what a poll would be good for
[2014-04-12 23:16:29] <flotwig> settling silly admin debates like this
[2014-04-12 23:16:54] <flotwig> also like, maybe a suggestions box kind of thing
[2014-04-12 23:17:11] <flotwig> there's no real forum for users to formally suggest features, so we should add a way to facilitate that
[2014-04-12 23:17:33] <flotwig> see how we can further cater to the reddit/subreddit owner community
[2014-04-12 23:18:26] <flotwig> what do you think?
[2014-04-12 23:19:46] <Ego> I think, therefore I am.
[2014-04-12 23:19:56] <flotwig> 2brite4me
[2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:35 PM <@SaberUK> haha oh wow
[2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:35 PM <@SaberUK> IRCX?
[2014-04-12 23:37:00] <Techman> 11:36 PM <@SaberUK> Techman: ask them to name networks which actually implement this
[2014-04-12 23:37:09] <Techman> ^ InspIRCd Developer
[2014-04-12 23:44:53] <redv> I don't know what that's in reference to
[2014-04-12 23:45:02] <redv> implement what?
[2014-04-12 23:45:47] <redv> and IRCx was on irc.msn.com , in 1998
[2014-04-12 23:46:06] <redv> why are you pasting things I talk about in this private channel?
[2014-04-12 23:46:46] <flotwig> what do you guys think about implementing a suggestions box
[2014-04-12 23:47:16] <redv> that's what I'd like, the post I have on snoonet.org asks them to post to the subreddit
[2014-04-12 23:48:56] <flotwig> maybe do a memoserv thing too "Snoonet's still growing! If you have requests or suggestions for features, we'd love to hear them! Post in /r/snoonet with your idea!"
[2014-04-12 23:49:03] <flotwig> where's the post?
[2014-04-12 23:49:42] <redv> www.snoonet.org
[2014-04-12 23:49:54] <flotwig> no shit lol
[2014-04-12 23:49:57] <flotwig> i mean i don't see it
[2014-04-12 23:50:11] <redv> Snoonet will be turning 2 on Apr 28!
[2014-04-12 23:50:27] <flotwig> oh ok
[2014-04-12 23:50:30] <flotwig> that mouse print
[2014-04-12 23:52:10] <flotwig> you should add it to infoserv, so users see it when they connect
[2014-04-12 23:52:34] <flotwig> i feel like there's a lot of input we miss out on because users feel like they can't communicate it over IRC and be taken seriously
[2014-04-12 23:54:30] <redv> I've already suggested that
[2014-04-12 23:54:47] <redv> I'm building a bot in php (cbx) that will be able to tie things from the site and the IRCd
[2014-04-12 23:55:21] <redv> also keep logs of floods, etc, all useful information that can be accessed via a website
[2014-04-12 23:56:00] <flotwig> go ahead and add it to infoserv then, i don't think anybody wouldn't be for that
[2014-04-12 23:57:27] <redv> feel free
[2014-04-12 23:57:43] <flotwig> i don't have sadmin anymore
[2014-04-12 23:57:49] <flotwig> or oper
[2014-04-12 23:59:50] * rdv kicked Techman (we'll let you know when you can rejoin this chan, if at all.)


(Was SAJOINd by Paradox)
[2014-04-13 13:56:55] → Joined channel #staff
[2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Replaying up to 20 lines of pre-join history spanning up to 300 seconds
[2014-04-13 13:56:55] <Paradox> !op
[2014-04-13 13:56:55] * ButtServ set +o Techman
[2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Channel mode is +HPinst 20:300
[2014-04-13 13:56:55] * Channel timestamp is 1335646564
[2014-04-13 13:56:56] <Paradox> redv why are you kicking techman out?
[2014-04-13 13:57:05] <Paradox> because he had a disagreement with you?
[2014-04-13 13:57:21] <Paradox> he's very knowledgeable about IRC and particularly atheme and insp
[2014-04-13 13:57:31] <Paradox> im not trying to be inflammatory
[2014-04-13 13:57:34] <Paradox> i just wanna know the whole story
[2014-04-13 13:57:43] <Paradox> and thats what i've been told by a few people, wanna hear all sides of the story though
[2014-04-13 14:46:58] <neoinr> what's going on?


[2014-04-16 20:51:09] * redv invited you to #staff
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] → Joined channel #staff
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] * Replaying up to 20 lines of pre-join history spanning up to 300 seconds
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> Speaking of doxxing
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> When did you want to swing by downtown and get burgers?
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> Cause there's some game thing going on on champa in a few nights
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> let me find the link
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <BipolarBear0> Soon
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> http://redd.it/236v80
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <ThatOneRoadie> "Happening June 7, 2014 through July 26, 2014 every Thursday + Saturday from 6pm to 11pm, Champa Street, from the 16th Street Mall to 14th Street, will be transformed into an immersive street arcade."
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] <BipolarBear0> Downtown Denver is a ways away for me
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] * ButtServ set +o Techman
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] * Channel mode is +HPinst 20:300
[2014-04-16 20:51:18] * Channel timestamp is 1335646564
[2014-04-16 20:51:25] <Techman> Hello
[2014-04-16 20:51:27] <flotwig> aw
[2014-04-16 20:51:35] <Techman> I was invited to join this channel
[2014-04-16 20:51:43] <flotwig> wb :)
[2014-04-16 20:53:25] <redv> wb
[2014-04-16 20:53:55] <redv> you can oper
[2014-04-16 20:54:01] <Techman> Okay
[2014-04-16 20:54:13] <Techman> Why was I invited back before my week was up
[2014-04-16 20:54:26] * Updating details, brb
[2014-04-16 20:54:26] * Socket closed

Demoted to "Global Op" with no reason
[2014-04-16 20:54:43] * Your user mode: +o
[2014-04-16 20:54:43] * - Don't mess things up; we are all watching and will laugh at you
[2014-04-16 20:54:43] * You are now a GlobalOp
[2014-04-16 20:54:43] * Your user mode: +oWs
[2014-04-16 20:54:44] * *** ANNOUNCEMENT: Techman used SWHOIS to set Techman's extra whois from 'is Snoonet Staff (sysop)' to 'knows a lot about IRC and SASL'
[2014-04-16 20:54:44] * Your user mode: +WsoiIw

[2014-04-16 20:54:29] → Joined channel #staff
[2014-04-16 20:54:29] * Channel mode is +HPinst 20:300
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[2014-04-16 20:54:29] * ButtServ set +o Techman
[2014-04-16 20:55:15] <BipolarBear0> While you're rehashing shit, redv
[2014-04-16 20:55:15] <Techman> Wait what
[2014-04-16 20:55:21] <BipolarBear0> GlobOp still lacks SAMode
[2014-04-16 20:55:29] <Techman> Yes why was I demoted
[2014-04-16 20:55:37] <Techman> ...
[2014-04-16 20:55:41] <BipolarBear0> Because assigned roles
[2014-04-16 20:55:46] <BipolarBear0> Not everyone needs NetAdmin
[2014-04-16 20:55:50] <Techman> sigh
[2014-04-16 20:56:37] <BipolarBear0> I'm personally of the opinion that only server-runners should have netadmin
[2014-04-16 20:56:49] <BipolarBear0> I just need some of the SAMode modules which are included in it
[2014-04-16 20:56:59] <BipolarBear0> s/modules/whatever they're called
[2014-04-16 20:57:04] <Techman> How am I supposed to manually relink servers if I am not a netadmin
[2014-04-16 20:57:21] <BipolarBear0> Telekinesis?
[2014-04-16 20:57:26] <Techman> Yes the sa modules are samode, sanick, sajoin, sapart, satopic
[2014-04-16 20:57:55] <BipolarBear0> I know what they are
[2014-04-16 20:58:14] <BipolarBear0> I just need them for the very frequent occurrence that a channel needs assistance or spammers are attacking the network
[2014-04-16 20:58:27] <redv> globalop has link capabilities
[2014-04-16 21:00:11] <redv> it's not really a demotion. it means I want the server operators to do what I need them to do
[2014-04-16 21:00:39] <Techman> sigh
[2014-04-16 21:00:50] <BipolarBear0> You've been demoted from Techman to AssistantTechman
[2014-04-16 21:01:09] <Techman> ...
[2014-04-16 21:01:37] <Techman> I think I'll just take another hiatus from Snoonet since I'm still really being demoted for no reason
[2014-04-16 21:01:45] <Techman> I'll see you guys whenever I come back
[2014-04-16 21:01:49] * 
[2014-04-16 21:01:49] * Socket closed

Truth is, rdv demoted me because I pissed him off. It had nothing to do with merit. This was a punishment because I "crossed" him by asking InspIRCd developers about IRCx. If it weren't for Paradox, he would have removed me from staff entirely out of pure anger. Those are his emotional intentions; what he may say now could be different.