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Feb 15 13:22:17 <clone1018>	So we confirmed, both Minecraft^3 and Minecraft Cubed are in violation
Feb 15 13:22:30 <bspkrs>	hmm
Feb 15 13:22:47 <clone1018>	So
Feb 15 13:22:52 <clone1018>	Let me read this legal document
Feb 15 13:22:52 <bspkrs>	MC Cubed?
Feb 15 13:22:52 <CyborgDragon>	holy shit
Feb 15 13:22:53 <Sanguine>	clone1018, violation of what?
Feb 15 13:22:59 <clone1018>	Sanguine: Mojang's terms
Feb 15 13:23:15 <Sanguine>	Because of the name?
Feb 15 13:23:19 <clone1018>	Yes.
Feb 15 13:23:23 <clone1018>	So now, because of the name
Feb 15 13:23:24 <CyborgDragon>	i detached my case fan, put it behind my radiator, blowing through it, and i watched my cpu temp drop from 64 to 53 in less than five minutes.
Feb 15 13:23:36 <clone1018>	We apparently have to give Mojang our entire source code and all assets
Feb 15 13:23:43 <clone1018>	INCLUDING assets I built on the website
Feb 15 13:24:02 <clone1018>	And ANY profit we make on this site now and in the future must be paid to mojang
Feb 15 13:24:19 <clone1018>	So even if we change our name and the new site has ads, we have to pay mojang 100%
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Feb 15 13:24:24 <clone1018>	/apparently/
Feb 15 13:24:37 <Sanguine>	Can't you just change the name and say its a brand new project?
Feb 15 13:24:53 <clone1018>	Oh and, we have to pay 500 euros to mojang because they had to spend the time to send this nice letter
Feb 15 13:25:05 <lahwran>	clone1018: just change the name and don't respond
Feb 15 13:25:09 <lahwran>	for fuck's sake
Feb 15 13:25:19 <Sanguine>	clone1018, What is different from this mod than any others?
Feb 15 13:25:19 <clone1018>	So we should ignore the lawyers?
Feb 15 13:25:26 <lahwran>	change the name.
Feb 15 13:25:27 <clone1018>	Sanguine: No difference.
Feb 15 13:25:30 <lahwran>	then ignore the lawyers
Feb 15 13:25:37 <clone1018>	lahwran: Holy crap dude, we seriously realize that
Feb 15 13:25:41 <clone1018>	You're like a broken record
Feb 15 13:25:54 <lahwran>	you keep fucking saying no!
Feb 15 13:26:00 <Sanguine>	So if it is all because of the name, if you just change it then the problem should be fixed
Feb 15 13:26:05 <lahwran>	^
Feb 15 13:26:05 *	Sanguine is not a lawyer
Feb 15 13:26:20 *	bspkrs plays a lawyer on tv
Feb 15 13:26:20 <Grum>	it's just karma
Feb 15 13:26:43 <clone1018>	Since never has been ignoring lawyers been a good idea
Feb 15 13:26:44 <lahwran>	oh look a mojang employee
Feb 15 13:27:01 <clone1018>	I'm sure grum has nothing to do with it
Feb 15 13:27:13 <Grum>	i have nothing mojangsee to say about it; bit frankly it put a huge smile on my face
Feb 15 13:27:25 <clone1018>	Grum: Why?
Feb 15 13:27:39 <Grum>	*but; after what miclee/evil_notch pulled before, he just deserves whatever he has coming to him
Feb 15 13:27:42 <Grum>	karma 101
Feb 15 13:27:43 <clone1018>	Haha
Feb 15 13:27:58 <clone1018>	What did Miclee/Evil_Notch pull before Grum?
Feb 15 13:28:12 <Grum>	oooh besides trying to get me fired? enough to get aggro of Mojang
Feb 15 13:28:24 <clone1018>	How did he try and get you fired?
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Feb 15 13:28:37 <Grum>	http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/vuhv4/mojang_isnt_exempt
Feb 15 13:28:44 <Grum>	enjoy the horribly long read
Feb 15 13:28:57 <clone1018>	Thanks, I'll check it out
Feb 15 13:29:06 *	Sanguine hates Miclee as well
Feb 15 13:29:15 <Grum>	oh also, i do not like that people get hit by his collateral damage
Feb 15 13:29:24 <Sanguine>	He is pretty much just a control freak
Feb 15 13:29:28 <Grum>	that totally sucks and is not fun at all :/
Feb 15 13:29:36 <Sanguine>	As soon as things don't go his way, he turns into a massive douchebag
Feb 15 13:29:54 <BlackMoon>	'as I had been waiting long over a year for an API' posted 7 months ago. lol
Feb 15 13:29:59 <lahwran>	Grum: U forgot about that
Feb 15 13:30:01 <lahwran>	I*
Feb 15 13:30:58 <pig>	BlackMoon: considering there were talks of a modding API in may 2011...
Feb 15 13:31:03 *	Cloudy ([email protected]) has joined
Feb 15 13:31:10 <lahwran>	Grum: I love how the guy who deconstructs Miclee's stuff used the username "eelcim"
Feb 15 13:31:16 <lahwran>	the reverse of miclee ...
Feb 15 13:31:17 <Grum>	yeah talking ... everyone in this channel should know the current state of code
Feb 15 13:31:26 <Sanguine>	EvilSeph says it himself in that comment on the post, if Miclee doesn't get his way, he throws a giant tantrum
Feb 15 13:31:27 <pig>	like how lahwran is the reverse of narwhal?
Feb 15 13:31:41 <Sanguine>	pig, I just noticed that...
Feb 15 13:31:42 <BlackMoon>	pig: the duke nukem API!
Feb 15 13:31:45 <Sanguine>	Sorry lahwran :(
Feb 15 13:32:11 <lahwran>	pig: I suck things out of people instead of stabbing things in?
Feb 15 13:32:16 <lahwran>	Sanguine: lol
Feb 15 13:32:19 <clone1018>	So, here's a question, is the reason Minecraft Cubed is the only Minecraft * project to recieve this notice, because Miclee is involved?
Feb 15 13:32:24 <lahwran>	Sanguine: that happens every few months to me
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Feb 15 13:32:45 <Grum>	clone1018: i say its a very very good possibility, but i was only informed indirectly that something happened
Feb 15 13:32:59 <lahwran>	Sanguine: I used to think that eventually everyone would know, but it always turns out that someone else finds out every few months
Feb 15 13:33:01 <Grum>	someone remembered the nice incident we had and wanted to make me smile; it worked
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Feb 15 13:33:22 <BlackMoon>	Grum: so you support sueing modders?
Feb 15 13:33:24 <Sanguine>	lahwran, It just never dawned on me to look at your name backwards
Feb 15 13:33:26 <clone1018>	Grum: May I log/publish our conversation at a later date?
Feb 15 13:33:28 <Grum>	BlackMoon: yes
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Feb 15 13:33:46 <Sanguine>	Grum, Modders in general, or just Miclee?
Feb 15 13:33:53 <Grum>	clone1018: under one condition; this is all my personal opinion
Feb 15 13:34:01 <ShaRose>	Grum I'm pretty much of the view that if a mod is named in such a way that it seems like it's a sequel, I'm all for lawlsuit
Feb 15 13:34:01 <clone1018>	Grum: Yeah, of course
Feb 15 13:34:02 <Grum>	Sanguine: anyone in breach of the ToU
Feb 15 13:34:15 <ShaRose>	^
Feb 15 13:34:22 <clone1018>	Grum: I hate when people assume just because an employee said it, it meant the company
Feb 15 13:34:22 <Sanguine>	Grum, Isn't that technically almost everyone who makes a mod though?
Feb 15 13:34:28 <Grum>	clone1018: yup
Feb 15 13:34:28 *	Sanguine hasn't read the ToU 
Feb 15 13:34:32 <Grum>	Sanguine: nope
Feb 15 13:34:40 <BlackMoon>	Grum: they all reuse minecraft code sooner or later.
Feb 15 13:34:48 <BlackMoon>	decompiled minecraft code...
Feb 15 13:34:51 <Sanguine>	Grum, So its just if someone names something "minecraft" something
Feb 15 13:34:56 <Grum>	BlackMoon: grey area :p
Feb 15 13:35:11 <Grum>	Sanguine: breach of ToU severe enough to act on
Feb 15 13:35:20 <BlackMoon>	'The One Major Rule
Feb 15 13:35:20 <BlackMoon>	Do not distribute anything we've made. This includes, but not limited to, the client or the server software for the game. This also includes modified versions of anything we've made.'
Feb 15 13:35:23 <Grum>	i do not define that; that is lawyers
Feb 15 13:35:38 <BlackMoon>	Seems to imply that every single mod that ever has reused source code falls under that..
Feb 15 13:35:42 <BlackMoon>	(taken from minecraft.net TOS)
Feb 15 13:35:45 <Sanguine>	^^
Feb 15 13:36:03 <ShaRose>	BlackMoon that's enough to say they CAN act on it
Feb 15 13:36:04 <clone1018>	So everyone should prepare to have a C&D sent to them
Feb 15 13:36:07 <ShaRose>	but it's a grey area
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Feb 15 13:36:11 <ShaRose>	and always has been
Feb 15 13:36:16 <Grum>	yup
Feb 15 13:36:32 <ShaRose>	Like I said earlier
Feb 15 13:36:46 <BlackMoon>	Hmm new profit model
Feb 15 13:36:49 <BlackMoon>	Make game
Feb 15 13:36:54 <BlackMoon>	sell game, get mods for game
Feb 15 13:37:05 <BlackMoon>	send $500 C&D to all modders once game stops selling well enough
Feb 15 13:37:07 <ShaRose>	I'd say the reason that MC3 got hammered is because it's named like it's a sequel and also miclee has been annoying the fuck out of mojang since forever
Feb 15 13:37:18 <lahwran>	SO GRUM
Feb 15 13:37:19 <ShaRose>	Grum sound like I'm right?
Feb 15 13:37:21 <lahwran>	HOW IS LIFE GOING
Feb 15 13:37:28 <lahwran>	ARE THINGS PRETTY GOOD FOR YOU
Feb 15 13:37:30 <CyborgDragon>	ShaRose, since he got his FRIEND's suggestion added to the game, pigmen.
Feb 15 13:37:35 <CyborgDragon>	that's when it all started
Feb 15 13:37:39 <ShaRose>	yeah
Feb 15 13:37:42 <clone1018>	ShaRose: If we had named it purely Minecraft Cubed, we would have had a C&D too
Feb 15 13:37:58 <ShaRose>	... yeah, and
Feb 15 13:38:01 <pahimar>	general good practice, don't encroach on trademarks
Feb 15 13:38:06 <ShaRose>	^
Feb 15 13:38:08 <pahimar>	regardless of project
Feb 15 13:38:08 <BlackMoon>	CyborgDragon: who got pigmen added?
Feb 15 13:38:10 <clone1018>	Si
Feb 15 13:38:11 <clone1018>	So
Feb 15 13:38:27 <BlackMoon>	tell me so I can punch them for making them non hostile and the nether a pussyfest
Feb 15 13:38:29 <clone1018>	Hey Grum, notify your lawyers they need to send a cease & desist to minecrafter.com
Feb 15 13:38:30 <CyborgDragon>	BlackMoon, miclee tweeted his friend' suggestion/idea to notch, notch added them to the game.
Feb 15 13:38:36 <clone1018>	MOjangs lawyers*
Feb 15 13:38:37 <CyborgDragon>	since then, miclee has become an overbearing ass
Feb 15 13:38:42 <BlackMoon>	lol
Feb 15 13:38:56 <CyborgDragon>	his friend's suggestion was just pigmen, not zombie pigmen or anything
Feb 15 13:38:57 <BlackMoon>	And minecraft.com lol
Feb 15 13:38:58 <Grum>	clone1018: feel free to mail mojang yourself :)
Feb 15 13:39:06 <BlackMoon>	.title minecraft.com
Feb 15 13:39:20 <clone1018>	Grum: cool, [email protected] right?
Feb 15 13:39:28 <Grum>	no idea tbh :/
Feb 15 13:39:37 <Grum>	but i wouldnt expect too much result unless its justified :)
Feb 15 13:39:40 <BlackMoon>	http://minecraft.com
Feb 15 13:39:43 <BlackMoon>	damn bots...
Feb 15 13:39:54 <ShaRose>	Grum he's doing it because he's mad, it's his site
Feb 15 13:40:05 <ShaRose>	he was going to make a mod site thingy called minecrafter
Feb 15 13:40:08 *	BlackMoon shrugs.
Feb 15 13:40:12 <ShaRose>	but he never got around to actually finishing it
Feb 15 13:40:37 <BlackMoon>	err opps
Feb 15 13:40:40 <ShaRose>	THAT SAID though
Feb 15 13:40:44 <Grum>	lahwran: yeah all ok here :)
Feb 15 13:40:54 <clone1018>	Thanks for your time grum
Feb 15 13:40:58 <ShaRose>	imo it'd be nicer if the lawyers just let miclee change the name
Feb 15 13:41:07 <BlackMoon>	.title www.minecraft.org
Feb 15 13:41:14 <ShaRose>	though I suppose he had to do that once before
Feb 15 13:41:18 <clone1018>	ShaRose: There's nothing saying we can't, however we still have to do what they said
Feb 15 13:41:21 <ShaRose>	and was dumb enough to try that shit again
Feb 15 13:41:21 <BlackMoon>	ah well, title of the site was 'Minecraft - Download Minecraft for Free'
Feb 15 13:41:28 <Gurkenmaster>	?title www.minecraft.org
Feb 15 13:41:29 <Shocky>	Minecraft - Download Minecraft for Free
Feb 15 13:41:33 <BlackMoon>	comes up on the first page when you google minecraft too, lol
Feb 15 13:41:43 <BlackMoon>	you'd think the lawyers would be a little more busy with sites like that.
Feb 15 13:42:02 <clone1018>	BlackMoon: Miclee is a funner target to poke
Feb 15 13:42:25 <ShaRose>	they have taken down sites like that BlackMoon
Feb 15 13:42:25 <clone1018>	The part I hate most about this
Feb 15 13:42:34 <clone1018>	Is the work the rest of the team has poured into it
Feb 15 13:43:12 <Grum>	agreed that is the sad part :(
Feb 15 13:43:30 <ShaRose>	Grum any chance you can ask them to cool off etc?
Feb 15 13:43:40 *	Boogy ([email protected]) has joined
Feb 15 13:43:44 <ShaRose>	imo the only real issue is the name
Feb 15 13:44:02 <Grum>	euuh no, i have no say
Feb 15 13:44:18 <BlackMoon>	hence 'ask' not 'tell'
Feb 15 13:44:20 <Grum>	i mean, i heard from people miclee was even warned about this
Feb 15 13:44:22 *	worldmc is now known as worldmc|off
Feb 15 13:44:24 <ShaRose>	lex your ident is still lex
Feb 15 13:44:31 <ShaRose>	Grum seriously?
Feb 15 13:44:50 <ShaRose>	well fuck him then he damn well knew what was going to happen and he had pulled this shit before if I recall
Feb 15 13:44:58 <lahwran>	Boogy: heh, funny name
Feb 15 13:45:00 <ShaRose>	evil minecraft was forced to rename if memory serves
Feb 15 13:45:00 <Grum>	not my mojang bt by other people
Feb 15 13:45:01 <clone1018>	ShaRose: That's not final yet, he just said he'd heard
Feb 15 13:45:03 <lahwran>	Boogy Boogy Boogy
Feb 15 13:45:04 <Boogy>	Sha, I know, I come to read, Not hide who I am.
Feb 15 13:45:21 <ShaRose>	why'd you nick then :S
Feb 15 13:45:25 <clone1018>	I'm running cloc on Minecraft Cubed's source
Feb 15 13:45:43 <Boogy>	Because LexManos is banned.
Feb 15 13:45:44 *	jadedcat glomps cojo
Feb 15 13:45:48 *	baggy|college is now known as baggerboot
Feb 15 13:45:53 <Cojo>	:o
Feb 15 13:45:56 <ShaRose>	you are?
Feb 15 13:46:02 <bspkrs>	yep
Feb 15 13:46:11 *	Cojo glomps jadedcat
Feb 15 13:46:25 <Cloudy>	I raised this with him months ago ShaRose, he said he knew and that other people did it so he didn't think there was a risk
Feb 15 13:46:39 <clone1018>	who is Cloudy?
Feb 15 13:46:41 <lahwran>	....
Feb 15 13:46:44 <Cloudy>	Or something like that
Feb 15 13:46:49 <jadedcat>	cloudy.... nvm
Feb 15 13:46:54 <Cloudy>	Don't have exact logs
Feb 15 13:47:09 <lahwran>	Boogy: not cool.
Feb 15 13:47:12 <bspkrs>	this discussion makes me really glad that I don't do base class modifications at all
Feb 15 13:47:14 *	lahwran sets ban on $a:LexManos
Feb 15 13:47:14 *	tMobile4a03 ([email protected]) has joined
Feb 15 13:47:16 <clone1018>	Alright so
Feb 15 13:47:18 *	lahwran has kicked Boogy from #risucraft (Boogy)
Feb 15 13:47:26 <Cloudy>	clone1018: nobody, just a mod author
Feb 15 13:47:41 <ShaRose>	lahwran why is lex banned again?
Feb 15 13:47:47 <CyborgDragon>	i'm curious too
Feb 15 13:47:53 <Cojo>	battle of the egos
Feb 15 13:47:53 <Sanguine>	ShaRose, He came in and was being an ass about modloader
Feb 15 13:47:55 <CyborgDragon>	i mean, i know i dont own the channel any more, but i'm definitely curious.
Feb 15 13:47:56 <Sanguine>	Or something like that
Feb 15 13:47:57 <Cojo>	that's why
Feb 15 13:47:58 <clone1018>	In total, the Minecraft Cubed team (almost none of this includes work by Miclee), has written 410,000 lines of code
Feb 15 13:48:00 <lahwran>	I don't know, you'd have to find the logs of when he was banned
Feb 15 13:48:08 <ShaRose>	yeah, looking now
Feb 15 13:48:14 <clone1018>	If you don't remember a ban, just unban?
Feb 15 13:48:16 <lahwran>	ban evasion = bad though
Feb 15 13:48:26 <clone1018>	Oh who really gives a fuck anymore
Feb 15 13:48:28 <BlackMoon>	clone1018: Damnnn thats a lot of code
Feb 15 13:48:36 <Sanguine>	lahwran, In all fairness, this is interesting, and I can't blame him for wanting to read it
Feb 15 13:48:37 <lahwran>	clone1018: me...
Feb 15 13:48:41 *	Sanguine isn't taking sides
Feb 15 13:48:49 <ShaRose>	he wasn't banned
Feb 15 13:48:51 <ShaRose>	from what I can tell
Feb 15 13:48:52 <clone1018>	Why? IRC is so miniscule
Feb 15 13:48:52 *	jadedcat has left
Feb 15 13:49:01 <lahwran>	he was, by me, months ago
Feb 15 13:49:08 <lahwran>	* #risucraft Banlist: Sun Aug 12 02:06:22 *lex*manos*!*@* [email protected]
Feb 15 13:49:17 <ShaRose>	ah, missed that entry
Feb 15 13:49:19 *	mnewton1 has quit (Quit: Rice and Corn)
Feb 15 13:49:22 <ShaRose>	there's like 3 pages :V
Feb 15 13:49:26 <lahwran>	yeah heh
Feb 15 13:49:43 <Grum>	ha found it
Feb 15 13:49:58 <Sanguine>	clone1018, Who is to say you guys can't just keep the code, rename it, and keep working?
Feb 15 13:50:10 <CyborgDragon>	Sanguine, the lawyers wanting all assets.
Feb 15 13:50:17 *	Zorn_Taov ([email protected]) has joined
Feb 15 13:50:51 <Sanguine>	CyborgDragon, Ah
Feb 15 13:51:18 <Sanguine>	Couldn't it be negotiated to keep the assests as long as they change the name?
Feb 15 13:51:21 <clone1018>	Every single developer/artist/sound engineer/texturepackist/writer Minecraft Cubed has is an unpaid volunteer who is working on this project because they love it
Feb 15 13:51:46 *	Cojo is now known as Cojo|noms
Feb 15 13:51:54 <clone1018>	Anyways
Feb 15 13:51:56 <Grum>	here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/13q0xp/minecraft%C2%B3_what_is_it/c7681vh
Feb 15 13:51:57 <clone1018>	I'm going to stop now
Feb 15 13:52:02 <Grum>	i mean, he basically asked for it :/
Feb 15 13:52:07 <Grum>	but we'll wait for the backlash
Feb 15 13:52:12 <Grum>	meanwhile i'll do some more smiling
Feb 15 13:52:25 <CyborgDragon>	i think the context to lex's ban was that lahwran got kick/banned in #minecraftforge for pinging him
Feb 15 13:52:28 <clone1018>	Grum: That's in reference to Minecraft^3 though
Feb 15 13:52:30 <ShaRose>	oh my god hahaha
Feb 15 13:52:39 <lahwran>	CyborgDragon: oh, that makes sense
Feb 15 13:52:47 <lahwran>	the idiot won't let people ping him
Feb 15 13:52:49 <clone1018>	"They just have to be prepared for the backlash."
Feb 15 13:52:49 <ShaRose>	CyborgDragon I don't have FLP installed :(
Feb 15 13:52:51 <clone1018>	Oh come on Miclee
Feb 15 13:52:53 <clone1018>	fucking hell
Feb 15 13:53:18 <Grum>	clone1018: no, 'they' is Mojang
Feb 15 13:53:20 <ShaRose>	clone1018 so yeah, miclee fucked you guys over
Feb 15 13:53:33 <clone1018>	Grum: No yeah I realize
Feb 15 13:53:40 <BlackMoon>	so lahwran bans someone for what they do in a totaly unrelated channel? No conflict of intrest there, nope..
Feb 15 13:53:47 <Sanguine>	He literally did ask for it
Feb 15 13:53:49 <bspkrs>	Grum, thanks for the context on the Karma comment... that makes it crystal
Feb 15 13:53:50 <Sanguine>	"If Mojang wants to go after us for infringement for making free content for their game, they can do so. They just have to be prepared for the backlash."
Feb 15 13:53:52 <clone1018>	BlackMoon: lahwran bans everyone for everything
Feb 15 13:53:59 <clone1018>	I don't know why Risugami gave him op again
Feb 15 13:54:02 <Grum>	bspkrs: i'll do some more smiling
Feb 15 13:54:03 <BlackMoon>	clone1018: iv noticed, its why I don't like to talk to him anymore.
Feb 15 13:54:04 <lahwran>	/kickban clone1018 no I don't
Feb 15 13:54:06 <ShaRose>	http://i.imgur.com/GBaHMZg.png just in case he baleets the comments
Feb 15 13:54:15 <Grum>	clone1018: sorry that you got caught in the shitstorm that is called miclee
Feb 15 13:54:23 <clone1018>	Grum: I was fully aware of what I was going into
Feb 15 13:54:36 <CyborgDragon>	lahwran, ShaRose, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cf863559dbc3291a96b9 context on the ban on lex.
Feb 15 13:54:50 <Grum>	well tiny bit less symphathy then from me ;P
Feb 15 13:54:59 <ShaRose>	!unban lexmanos
Feb 15 13:54:59 *	zsh removes ban on *lex*manos*!*@*
Feb 15 13:54:59 *	zsh removes ban on $a:LexManos
Feb 15 13:55:04 <clone1018>	I don't pick people Grum, I pick projects
Feb 15 13:55:08 <ShaRose>	yeeahhh don't do that
Feb 15 13:55:19 <Sanguine>	clone1018, Fully? Have you ever benn on the receiving end of one of Miclee's tantrums?
Feb 15 13:55:21 <CyborgDragon>	missing context as to why mrdare says "You are so dead", which i assume the context is lahwran joining #minecraftforge and pinging lex
Feb 15 13:55:21 <lahwran>	ShaRose: ....
Feb 15 13:55:27 <clone1018>	Sanguine: Duh?
Feb 15 13:55:28 <BlackMoon>	mildly annoying lahwran = permaban, Noted.
Feb 15 13:55:35 <clone1018>	I've known Miclee longer then your testicles have worked
Feb 15 13:55:40 <lahwran>	it's _lexmanos_
Feb 15 13:55:42 <ShaRose>	lahwran personal bans == no
Feb 15 13:55:49 <lahwran>	it's _fucking lexmanos_
Feb 15 13:55:51 <Grum>	his tantrums include: tweeting on two accounts, spamming on irc, setting up others to annoy you, mailing your boss
Feb 15 13:55:56 <Grum>	aka: being a fucking little biatch
Feb 15 13:56:00 <BlackMoon>	lahwran: so find a legit reason to permaban him
Feb 15 13:56:05 <Grum>	oh i forgot reddit
Feb 15 13:56:09 <clone1018>	So what you ignorant twat lahwran fuck just stop being such a prick on IRC
Feb 15 13:56:13 <ShaRose>	you find a rule he's breaking? sure
Feb 15 13:56:14 <bspkrs>	it really is unfortunate... I just watched all the tweeted MC^3 videos and want to contribute
Feb 15 13:56:18 <lahwran>	cloned modloader for the sole purpose of driving the real one out of business
Feb 15 13:56:18 <ShaRose>	personal bans I will undo
Feb 15 13:56:28 <ShaRose>	lahwran no he didn't you moron
Feb 15 13:56:47 <Bugboy1028>	Lunatrius, how I turn off the schematic if I dont need it yet?
Feb 15 13:56:49 <ShaRose>	they rewrote modloader to improve it and add features
Feb 15 13:57:05 <ShaRose>	well, and permissions I suppose
Feb 15 13:57:21 <ShaRose>	risu straight up ignores permission requests
Feb 15 13:57:22 <Lunatrius>	Bugboy1028, just hide it
Feb 15 13:57:30 <Bugboy1028>	ah.
Feb 15 13:57:32 <Bugboy1028>	Thansk
Feb 15 13:58:00 <bspkrs>	risu pretty much ignores all feature requests from what I've seen
Feb 15 13:58:04 <CyborgDragon>	Grum, i'm waiting for him to post on reddit about this most recent event.
Feb 15 13:58:09 <CyborgDragon>	it'll be fun to watch.
Feb 15 13:58:11 <bspkrs>	^
Feb 15 13:58:19 <BlackMoon>	^++
Feb 15 13:58:21 <Lunatrius>	Risu: add a rendar hoak! :<
Feb 15 13:58:29 <Grum>	CyborgDragon: his rain of complaints on twitter are a good start
Feb 15 13:58:44 <ShaRose>	CyborgDragon nah
Feb 15 13:58:47 <Grum>	https://twitter.com/Evil_Notch
Feb 15 13:58:51 <CyborgDragon>	Grum, yeah but on reddit you get to see people tearing back into him :P
Feb 15 13:58:53 <ShaRose>	the r/minecraft mods are well aware of the issue
Feb 15 13:58:59 <ShaRose>	and are on "remove on sight" mode
Feb 15 13:59:41 <CyborgDragon>	ShaRose, but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Feb 15 13:59:42 <Grum>	yeah which is why he posted in r/gaming :p
Feb 15 13:59:47 <Grum>	(before)
Feb 15 13:59:53 <Grum>	because no-one likes miclee
Feb 15 13:59:58 <CyborgDragon>	his drama is so fun to watch :(
Feb 15 14:00:11 <CyborgDragon>	it's like watching a plane crash into a train that's derailed.
Feb 15 14:00:19 <BlackMoon>	CyborgDragon: lol
Feb 15 14:00:20 <CyborgDragon>	horrifically beautiful.
Feb 15 14:00:25 <Sanguine>	CyborgDragon, Oh my
Feb 15 14:00:25 <BlackMoon>	CyborgDragon++
Feb 15 14:00:26 <Shocky>	CyborgDragon == 5
Feb 15 14:00:28 <Sanguine>	CyborgDragon++
Feb 15 14:00:29 <Shocky>	CyborgDragon == 6
Feb 15 14:00:33 <Samantha>	solution > CyborgDragon
Feb 15 14:00:38 <BlackMoon>	hahah
Feb 15 14:00:46 <CyborgDragon>	so many pings ._.
Feb 15 14:00:46 <BlackMoon>	So its settled
Feb 15 14:00:52 <r4wk-work>	hahah
Feb 15 14:00:56 <Grum>	<@lahwran> cloned modloader for the sole purpose of driving the real one out of business <-- that implies there WAS business
Feb 15 14:00:59 <BlackMoon>	we put notch on a train, derail it and crash miclee in a plane into it.
Feb 15 14:01:00 *	zsh removes channel operator status from lahwran
Feb 15 14:01:02 <lahwran>	Grum: there was
Feb 15 14:01:09 <ShaRose>	no there wasn't
Feb 15 14:01:09 <lahwran>	risugami makes money off of modloader
Feb 15 14:01:19 <ShaRose>	and?
Feb 15 14:01:22 <CyborgDragon>	purely through 'donations' of adf.ly
Feb 15 14:01:29 <Grum>	made money of modloader?
Feb 15 14:01:32 <r4wk-work>	Forge wasn't created to drive the real one out of business
Feb 15 14:01:39 <Grum>	because if he still makes ... why so problem!?
Feb 15 14:01:41 <ShaRose>	Grum adf.ly etc
Feb 15 14:01:55 <Sanguine>	I gurantee risu still makes some decent pocket change off modloader
Feb 15 14:01:55 <r4wk-work>	Forge was created becuase one solution is never enough
Feb 15 14:02:01 <Sanguine>	But it was never really about money
Feb 15 14:02:12 <ShaRose>	r4wk-work actually fml was made for two reasons
Feb 15 14:02:24 <Sanguine>	Forge needed some modloader, risu wouldn't budge (he has the right to do that), so they made their own
Feb 15 14:02:25 <r4wk-work>	FML != Forge btw
Feb 15 14:02:28 <Sanguine>	Nothing wrong their
Feb 15 14:02:30 <Lunatrius>	You can't make a lot of money off mods anyway.
Feb 15 14:02:32 <CyborgDragon>	if anything, the only reason it's still updated is because someone hasn't made a completely better API
Feb 15 14:02:33 <ShaRose>	1) risu always and still does ignore permission requests
Feb 15 14:02:47 <Lunatrius>	I can buy a Kebab once every 2 months with the money I get.
Feb 15 14:02:48 <r4wk-work>	yes i understand FML
Feb 15 14:02:51 <r4wk-work>	i was talking Forge itself
Feb 15 14:02:58 <ShaRose>	2) forge / lex always wanted things done 'right' and modloader was always made to be fast and easy to update
Feb 15 14:03:09 <CyborgDragon>	Lunatrius, at one point i believe risu made 300 a month off it :P
Feb 15 14:03:14 <Lunatrius>	lol
Feb 15 14:03:31 <CyborgDragon>	considering every click is fractions of a penny...that's a lot of clicks.
Feb 15 14:03:39 <lahwran>	300 a month was me
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Feb 15 14:03:43 <lahwran>	risu was like 8 times that
Feb 15 14:03:45 <CyborgDragon>	oh
Feb 15 14:03:46 <CyborgDragon>	lol
Feb 15 14:03:50 <CyborgDragon>	fuzzy memory
Feb 15 14:03:55 <Sanguine>	Risu had a 1000~ or something
Feb 15 14:03:56 <Lunatrius>	wat
Feb 15 14:04:15 <CyborgDragon>	Lunatrius, adf.ly  used to give out like half a cent for every click, instead of a hundredth of a cent
Feb 15 14:04:18 <CyborgDragon>	so it kind of makes sense.
Feb 15 14:04:30 <Gurkenmaster>	you just sunk my battleship
Feb 15 14:04:33 <lahwran>	no, it was always a tenth of a cent ...
Feb 15 14:04:33 <Lunatrius>	Oh, makes sense.
Feb 15 14:04:36 <ShaRose>	clone1018 dinnerbone is saying all he needs to do is change the name
Feb 15 14:04:42 <BlackMoon>	So your saying risu should of had a monopoly and nobody should be allowed to compeat? :P
Feb 15 14:04:44 <lahwran>	20th of a cent actually
Feb 15 14:04:45 <ShaRose>	and that all this all assets are mojang's stuff is a lie
Feb 15 14:04:47 <lahwran>	1000 for $5
Feb 15 14:04:50 <ShaRose>	do you have a copy of the email?
Feb 15 14:04:50 <lahwran>	or something
Feb 15 14:04:52 <BlackMoon>	Else stop being butthurt over forge
Feb 15 14:04:52 <lahwran>	no I'm derping
Feb 15 14:04:53 <lahwran>	ignore me
Feb 15 14:05:11 <Gurkenmaster>	Money per click depends on the country
Feb 15 14:05:14 *	Moose\Away is now known as Moose
Feb 15 14:05:21 <lahwran>	lahwran can't math
Feb 15 14:05:33 <Sanguine>	BlackMoon, No? Where are you getting that from?
Feb 15 14:05:44 <Lunatrius>	.js 1000/(0.60828/485)
Feb 15 14:05:44 <Shocky>	Lunatrius: 797330.1768922205
Feb 15 14:05:56 *	SurpriseTRex_ ([email protected]) has joined
Feb 15 14:06:06 <Lunatrius>	Sounds fair enough.
Feb 15 14:06:21 <ShaRose>	clone1018 have you read the email in question
Feb 15 14:06:27 <Lunatrius>	800k downloads shouldn't be much of a problem with ModLoader and all the mods that come with it.
Feb 15 14:06:48 *	SurpriseTRex has quit (Ping timeout: 190 seconds)
Feb 15 14:06:56 <ShaRose>	[Friday 03:36:04 pm]	Dinnerbone	We sent him a C&D
Feb 15 14:06:58 <ShaRose>	[Friday 03:36:05 pm]	Dinnerbone	That's it
Feb 15 14:06:59 <ShaRose>	[Friday 03:36:22 pm]	Dinnerbone	Unless he gives the email away somewhere, don't listen to a thing they tweet
Feb 15 14:07:21 <Sanguine>	ShaRose, So miclee is full of shit in a bid to turn people againts mojang?
Feb 15 14:07:24 <pig>	lol
Feb 15 14:07:28 <pig>	adfly talk
Feb 15 14:07:38 *	pig makes decently from it Lunatrius
Feb 15 14:07:42 <ShaRose>	Sanguine if dinnerbone is right? yeah
Feb 15 14:07:44 <Lunatrius>	:<
Feb 15 14:07:47 <CyborgDragon>	i'd say, at this point, all the people developing MC^3 should drop miclee, lol. Keep developing it, change the name, drop miclee.
Feb 15 14:07:54 *	Cojo|noms is now known as Cojo
Feb 15 14:07:59 <Gurkenmaster>	^
Feb 15 14:07:59 <pig>	enough to feed myself each day for a month or so
Feb 15 14:08:02 <ShaRose>	CyborgDragon last mod he ran did that too actually
Feb 15 14:08:07 <ShaRose>	so did the game he started
Feb 15 14:08:11 <pig>	not a really good meal, but enough to keep the stomach full
Feb 15 14:08:17 <Lunatrius>	I want to make enough for 2 or 3 kebabs :3
Feb 15 14:08:31 <CyborgDragon>	ShaRose, he started a game?
Feb 15 14:08:34 <EvilSeph>	Sanguine, http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/vuhv4/mojang_isnt_exempt << he made this post on Reddit in r/gaming where we had less/no influence purely to make Mojang look bad
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Feb 15 14:08:52 <EvilSeph>	just looking at that, alone, makes his intentions clear
Feb 15 14:08:54 <lahwran>	EvilSeph: don't worry, grum has said everything necessary already
Feb 15 14:09:05 <lahwran>	hm, I don't have voice
Feb 15 14:09:07 <lahwran>	interesting
Feb 15 14:09:08 <lahwran>	!op
Feb 15 14:09:09 *	zsh gives channel operator status to lahwran
Feb 15 14:09:13 *	lahwran gives voice to lahwran
Feb 15 14:09:13 <r4wk-work>	!op
Feb 15 14:09:15 <lahwran>	!deop
Feb 15 14:09:15 *	Shocky removes channel operator status from lahwran
Feb 15 14:09:15 *	zsh removes channel operator status from lahwran
Feb 15 14:09:21 *	lahwran pokes Shocky 
Feb 15 14:09:31 <ShaRose>	lahwran you could have just used !voice...
Feb 15 14:09:40 <Sanguine>	EvilSeph, Love where he pretty much asks you guys to sue him in that post
Feb 15 14:09:40 <EvilSeph>	if he really was concerned with Mojang's conduct and how it affects the community, he wouldn't have gone out of his way to try and ensure he wins
Feb 15 14:09:45 <ShaRose>	any CyborgDragon  yes
Feb 15 14:09:45 <lahwran>	ShaRose: oh
Feb 15 14:09:48 <clone1018>	ShaRose: I have the legal document which I've read, which included what I've said.
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Feb 15 14:09:51 <Sanguine>	He is just throwing a Tantrum
Feb 15 14:09:52 <lahwran>	ShaRose: lahwran is derp
Feb 15 14:10:01 <ShaRose>	clone1018 can I see it or no?
Feb 15 14:10:09 <pig>	that shows how much you suck as an op lahwran
Feb 15 14:10:16 *	Lunatrius is away for noms
Feb 15 14:10:17 <lahwran>	I know :(
Feb 15 14:10:19 <clone1018>	Bunch of the tweeters are retarded mainly because Miclee has a huge mouth
Feb 15 14:10:25 <lahwran>	I suck so bad that I can't even voice myself right :(
Feb 15 14:10:28 <clone1018>	ShaRose: It's not mine to make public sorry
Feb 15 14:10:43 <ShaRose>	because from what DB said you can change the name and carry on fine
Feb 15 14:11:10 <clone1018>	Yeah, that's not what this legal doc says but Miclee will communicate back with the laywers
Feb 15 14:11:12 <clone1018>	this is just for me
Feb 15 14:11:47 <r4wk-work>	Being a twat + having MC in your name == bad